I think women still even to some extent, even though we’ve overcome a lot of it, are still socialized that it is somehow not as attractive to want to elbow your way to the front of the room. I mean, in terms of these women who also who should be exuding confidence and you know, proudly talking about that, what do you make of that ambivalence?ĬM:I think there is…. PP: Well, I was going to ask you, what do you make of that? Especially the way you set that up in terms of – and you talk about this in your in your first chapter of your book. ![]() It doesn’t mean that you are the “B-word” just because you’re ambitious. But I do believe that one of the things that holds us back is when we look in the mirror and we see our reflection and we don’t have a level of confidence and comfort with being more ambitious than the next guy. We are still way behind in corporate boardrooms. There are more women holding office, still not enough. ![]() There are many more women today that are running. And I think it is really important that women… we have made a lot of progress as women in politics. “Listen, I know what I was planning on saying first, but I just wanna tell everybody here I’m really ambitious.” I like to look at it that I’m a team player.” And I got out on stage and it was time for me to begin talking and I said, Why aren’t they just saying, well, of course, I’m ambitious! But you know, one of them said, “ Well, I don’t think I’d like to look at it that way. And it was “uh-uh-mm-unuh.”ĬM: And I sitting backstage was going, “I mean this is crazy!” They’re in front of all these women. They are everyday names.ĬM: And they were asked if they were ambitious. They have succeeded in the very top levels of media in this country. And these two women, if I said their names, you would know immediately. And there were two women out on the stage with a moderator that were the event before my event. And I was, you know, I had been asked to come and speak on a panel. I was on stage - just off stage in New York for a giant gathering of women. And I never realized how bad it was seen how badly, it was seen by others.ĬM: And I’ll never forget this, Pat. And so I really was quite an ambitious young woman. You know, I guess I was just raised by a mother and father who told me every day almost that I was beyond perfect and that I could be anything I wanted to be and they expected me to be something big. I’m positive that our listening audience would love to learn from you in terms of what do you believe is important for women and why do you believe it’s important for women to be strategic and own it?ĬM: You know one of the things that has always been a head scratcher to me was how uncomfortable women are with their ambition. PP: You’ve recently faced some scrutiny that comes along with being a woman in politics. I think you saw some of the questions in advance, so we’ll just jump right in. PP: I’m so delighted that you’re here for the Weil Lecture. PP: I was born and raised in Arkansas and in South as well. ![]() I know that you’ve been interviewed by such heavyweights and but here you will get a chance to talk with a fellow - we’re both from the South. And so it’s such a thrill to be able to interview you. PP: Yes, and the College Arts & Sciences. I was previously chair of the Department of Communication I am Director of the Institute for the Arts and Humanities. PP: Yes, and we’ve not really been formally introduced. PP: We’re so delighted to have you here on the campus of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. ![]() Patricia Parker: Senator McCaskill, welcome. Ahead of the Weil Lecture on American Citizenship, Director Patricia Parker talks with Senator Claire McCaskill about her political career, important figures in her life, and more.
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